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Banggai Cardinal, reading. beh. f' let's place 9/11/08 Dear Crew, I need your help. I have a 55 gallon FO (50lbs of LR and 100lbs of LS) tank since February. I added a yellow tang, 2 ocellaris fish, 1 Banggai Cardinal, 1 Singapore angelfish (a birthday gift my sister gave me), and a cleaner shrimp - all added in March and all getting along. All Juvenile in size. Up to date all my live stock were doing well, healthy appetite and all. My tank gets a 20 gallon water change every two weeks. Two weeks ago, I purchased a Longnose Hawkfish and a royal Gramma. I was told by one of the employees at a reputable aquaria shop that these two fish would do well in my tank. At first the royal Gramma was a bit shy, but after 3 days it was swimming out in the open and eating. "Mysteriously" it has disappeared. Aside from the disappearance of the Gramma fish, I noticed that my cleaner shrimp who use to crawl all over the tank, is now recluse in a cave like entry to one of the rocks. I thought nothing of it and suspected he was molting and on this past Sunday, I found his molten shell. I was about to do a water change and I noticed that my Singapore angelfish was lying on its side breathing heavy at the bottom of the tank. I couldn't understand why, he was swimming strong and eating well the night before, I didn't notice anything strange on him the night before. I checked my levels and all was clear except for my PH which was at 7.7 or 8.0 (seemed a little low). In any case, I made a water change to see if my angelfish would perk up, but that didn't happen, he died later that afternoon. Needless to say, I was really saddened, and perplexed as I don't know what caused his death. Since then I've been keeping an even closer eye on my tank. Today, Wednesday, I noticed that my Banggai Cardinal has this stringy transparent film like substance hanging from his side fin, and around the top fin as well. He seems lethargic, and his eyes, there is something about his eyes that I can't seem to explain, but they look different almost plastic. I fed the tank and as food went by him, he paid it no mind. Usually he's the first to go for the food. I know that Banggai Cardinals tend to stay in one spot of the tank or another, but my cardinal swam openly everywhere, he would see me come close to the tank and he would swim to the top because he knew it was feeding time. Today he didn't do such thing. He's just floating right above the sand. Is there anything I give him that my heal him? As for the cleaner shrimp, when the food made its way down to the bottom of the tank, he came out of hiding to eat, but as soon as he saw the Longnose Hawkfish come near he retreated into that hiding place. I am going to return that fish tomorrow. I searched the site for the Banggai Cardinal Diseases but I didn't see what I'm describing on there. Your feedback as always is appreciated. ~C from the Bronx
Re: Banggai Cardinal, reading. beh. f' let's place 9/12/08 Good Morning Bob, Thank you for responding. I'm sad to say that my Banggai passed away yesterday afternoon. I returned the Lysmata back to the aquarium store and explained what has been going on in my tank. Like you, they suspect it's a pathogenic situation going on in my tank. Last night when I returned from the store, I sat in front of my tank to observe my 3 remaining fish. I noticed that one of my Ocellaris has a something fuzzy or white on the first white stripe on his face (forehead). Also its poop is white and stringy. It might be Brooklynella or Lymphocystis. I've been told once, twice, thrice, about setting up a quarantine tank and like a fool I chose to ignore such sound advice. I played roulette and now I'm paying the very expensive consequences for not having this set up. I believe this pathogen or parasite was introduced into my tank when I purchased and introduced the Lysmata and the royal Gramma into the system. It was after introduced them into the tank that my live stock started dying. I'm going to purchase at least a 10 gallon tank so that I can transfer the remaining fish and quarantine them. I have 2 clown fish, a yellow tang, and a cleaner shrimp left. From what I've read on this site it looks like a freshwater dip is in order and then return them to the quarantine tank. But what do I do about my main tank where the parasite/pathogen is residing? How do I get rid of it. I read somewhere that perhaps leaving the fish in the quarantine tank for about a month, might kill off the thing if it doesn't find a host. But I'm wondering if there is something else I need to be doing? Thanks for such a great and informative site. Any further feedback is greatly appreciated. Gone are the days of no quarantine. ~Cielo
Banggai's come out at night, 1/15/08 Hi Crew, I purchased two Banggai cardinals which I have had now for six days. I understand they do not travel well so I made sure to turn all lights off and acclimatised them over a period of several hours to my tank. Even although I have 20 kilos of live rock in a 180 litre tank, they both seem to huddle together at the water surface during the day. I have not seen them eating even although I watch carefully at feeding times. The only tankmate who has taken an interest in them is my strawberry basslet who has taken a few runs at them if they get to near 'his' rocks. Other than that they are left to their own devices by the other fish in the tank (1 clown, 1 blue spotted puffer, 1 yellow wrasse, 1 strawberry basslet, 1 Tailspot blenny). I have been keeping a close eye on them and they do not appear to be labouring for breath or showing signs of illness. The strange this is that when I turn the lights on in the morning (the blue light goes on for 15 minutes before the other T5's are turned on) they appear to have been swimming around during the night. They are usually in the water column in the lower half of the tank looking alert and active with their fins erect, but when the lights go on they huddle together at the surface again and they appear to pull their dorsal fins in. I'm worried that they are not eating as I obviously don't feed through the night, and also if this behaviour is normal for these fish? Are they nocturnal / diurnal in the wild? Also how am I supposed to feed them if they won't eat during the day? All tank parameters are stable (temp 80f, ammonia 0, nitrite 0, ph 8.2, nitrate 10ppm) Thanks for any help you can give, Mark W
Banggai Highfin cardinal sucking air Hello, I have a Banggai Highfin cardinal that is at the top of the tank acting like he needs air. He has appeared to be happy for the last month since I added him. everyone else seems happy. Its a 55 gal. tank with 60 lbs. of live rock, a dual regent filter and a power skimmer. This is my first salt water tank (3 mo.s since start). If you need more info let me know. Thank You Mike Snow >>>Hello Mike, What other fish are in the tank along with the cardinal? It sounds to me like he may be stressed, perhaps from being harassed by another fish. Have you noticed any aggressive interactions in the tank? Cheers Jim
Missing Banggai Cardinalfish Hey there again, just trying to keep my queries separated. OK, new issue. My Banggai Cardinal simply vanished!! I've been looking all over the tank for him and he is gone. He stopped eating for a while but this was following what appeared to be a mating ritual with (what I thought was) his partner. The larger one, I think to be the male, is the one that is missing. Is this guy really missing, or just hiding out before he "belches" out a bunch of fry from his mouth? I'm scared that he may be lost and can potentially foul the tank. How long should I wait to not see him before I panic? And when I say panic, I'll take apart the reef in an attempt to find him if it means keeping the rest of the stock. In other strange disappearance news, my Scott's Wrasse that I told you about earlier has been acting strange. Is it possible that he is being bullied by my two tangs? (Kole and Indian Ocean Hippo) Every time that he goes to settle to hide out (if he is spooked) one of the tangs will rush to the area behind the rock and flush him out. I like it because it keeps him into he open. But now, after he's been in the tank for about a week, he is GONE about 3 hours before the lights turn off. Also, Recently I caught him belching out brown material, he looked not so good. . . Like the Cardinal, we have searched everywhere and cannot find him every three hours before the lights go off. . . What gives? For your reference our light cycle is as follows: ON --> Actinic 2:30 PM Daylight 3:30 PM Off --> Daylight 11:30 Actinic 12:30 AM Thanks so much, Separate query on the way!
Stocking questions Hello Bob, It's been a while since I've written. Your advice is always great, so I haven't had any problems to write about! But I do have some questions I hope you can help me on again. I have a 125 gal with 160 lbs live rock. My current inhabitants include a blue damsel, percula clown, coral beauty, 2 Banggai cardinals, yellow tang, purple tang, and a few cleaner shrimp, snails, scarlet crabs, and a brittle star. All my fish are happy and eat well. The 2 tangs tussle from time to time, but are usually fine with each other. My first question is about one of the cardinals. I checked the FAQs and couldn't find anything there. One of them always looks great. Nice colors and eats well. The other one looks a bit different, though. The parts of his/her body that are normally white/silver (on these cardinals) always appear to be a very dark gray, almost black sometimes. However, at feeding time, he darts around for food, and his color comes back. You can't even tell the two apart when they're eating. But, when the food is gone, the one turns dark again. I keep thinking he is sick, but he's been this way for about a month. Isn't breathing heavy, always eats, never gets picked on (that I can see). Any ideas? Like I mentioned earlier, everyone else in the tank looks great. I soak all food in vitamins at least 3 times a week. I also wanted to ask your opinion on my stocking options. There are three more fish I would love to have in this tank: a Naso tang, a bi-color blenny, and a flame angel. Do you think that three tangs in a 125 is too many? I think the Naso is the only one I have worries about adding. Please let me know what you think. It is always good to hear your thoughts. Thanks much in advance! Jason
Banggai Cardinal Hi Crew I have a beautiful Banggai Cardinalfish, in a 200 gallon marine reef tank in the UK. I have no problem with him, other than he makes a 'clicking sound'. I have read your articles on the Banggai cardinal fish and I cannot see anywhere, where is says a clicking noise is made. Is this usual? Perhaps, he/she is asking me to feed him/her? I wonder if you could tell me about the clicking noise they make, and what it indicates? I have had the fish for almost 7 months now and he is a very happy fish, not at all shy. He has plenty of live rock and places to hide around, but he is always on display and chases around his smaller Pyjama fish, tank mates. He also like to go inside the Malu anemone and plays with the clowns. Thanks for an awesome website. Could you reply to me by email if possible, as I have just had spinal surgery and cannot sit for long at the PC at the moment. Linda Banggai Cardinal - 03/09/2006 We have 2 Banggai Cardinals. The very tip of their front dorsal fins (approx.1/16")has turned white and appears to just wave around with movement. They have been this way for about 3-4 weeks and the white area seems to be getting larger, but very very slowly. Any idea what it is and what we should do about it? Bob & Jinni Horn Tank info: Tank size in Gallons. 75. Age of tank . 6 months. Total amount of liverock aprox..60 lbs. Substrate 3" of live sand. Temp. 78 degrees Sump 12 gallon. Prefilter Yes. Wooden hood over the light. Aprox amount of evaporation per day:.1 gallon. Frequency of water changes &amount changed: 5 gallons Bi weekly Salt mix. "Red Sea.". Additives used:. Kent Marine Concentrated Iodine, Reef Success Coral Grow. test kit:. Saltwater Master Liquid Test Kit. adding calcium:. Manual as needed. Aprox water turnover X times (filter) per hour. 7. Lighting:. HO Fluorescent. Bulbs. 2 white 2 blue. Total watts of lighting (all lamps). 440. Timers . Yes. on 12 hours per day Water. RO/DI. Protein skimmer .Venturi. Tank parameters. -Calcium. 320 mg/L -Magnesium. Unknown -Alkalinity. 12 dKH -Ammonia. 0 mg/L -Nitrites. 0 mg/L -Nitrates. 0 mg/L -Phosphates. .5 PPM -Specific Gravity. 1.023 -Water Temp. 78f Water Flow > 7 times tank volume per hour Question on Banggai Cardinalfish - 04/22/2006 Greetings! I have a Banggai Cardinalfish who recently has stopped eating (at least while I'm watching the tank). I purchased the Banggai several months ago, after several failures with them -- previous Banggais did not feed very well, then stopped feeding, then started breathing heavily, and then died. The current Banggai, though, has been doing great for months. Eats regularly, remains active, and has grown quite large. But this past week, he's stopped eating, and now his breathing appears heavy -- behavior I'm familiar with, unfortunately. The tank is a 30-gallon reef tank; the readings on temperature, salinity, and so forth are all in the normal range. The Banggai shares the tank with a yellowtail damsel, two firefish gobies, and a blenny, as well as a few invertebrates (shrimps, crabs, snails). There doesn't seem to be excessive competition among the fish -- I'm feeding them brine shrimp (not live) , and up until early last week the Banggai as well as the others have liked the food and have seemingly been able to get enough of it. But now, the shrimp float up in front of the Banggai, and he ignores it completely. Not good. I've been reading readers questions on the FAQ page about Banggai Cardinalfish, and it seems that most of the problems that develop do so shortly after purchase -- not several months down the road. Is my Banggai just old, or is this normal, or . what? I think they're one of the most beautiful fish I've ever seen, and I would love to continue to have one (or two, or three) in my tank -- but not if something I'm doing or not doing is killing them. Any thoughts? --Eric Scott
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